Deity of Christ and Spirit
Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. (KJV)
Not a creation of God, but God with us! Not simply a man because he was born of God and a woman.
1Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (KJV)
HOW WAS GOD MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH? OR RECEIVED UP INTO GLORY? There was only one who did this. This is CHRIST!
Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: (KJV)
Note it was not stealing to be equal with God because He was God; or not something he had to hold on to. He made himself in the form of a man, because before He was in the form of God. As a man he was still perfect, so form of God does not mean perfect. It means nature of God, just as he tool on nature of man!
Note: God did not make Him in the form of man, HE TOOK ON THAT FORM HIMSELF. So what ever Form is in form of servant, or likeness of men, it is the same meaning for form of God.
Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me, 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting That there is none besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other; NKJV
Isa 45:21 …Have not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior;
There is none besides Me. NKJV
The word translated “beside” has nothing to do with equality. The roots are more to the effect of: not ever. It just plainly states there is no other God.
Strong’s # 1107 bil` adey (bil-ad-ay’); or bal` adey (bal-ad-ay’); constructive plural from 1077 and 5703, not till, i.e. (as preposition or adverb) except, without, besides: KJV– beside, not (in), save, without.
Deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: (KJV)
Zech 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. (KJV)
Is 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. 11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (KJV) This is our faith, only one Lord.
1 Cor 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. NKJV
There is only One Lord. There is no other Lord, no other God formed, no other savior.
1 Cor 8:4 there is no other God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live. NKJV
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (KJV)
But look what scripture tells us. There is another God and Father for us.
Is 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Now Jesus is the everlasting Father! Do we have 2 Fathers? If He is only our brother who is He father to? He is a lamb, a Lion, a Father, a Brother, a Priest, a Servant; many things not just one.
Is. 9:6 SAYS CHRIST IS GOD! The Mighty God. The same as other scriptures:
JOHN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Rev 19:13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Even if one wrongly translates Jn 1:1 as “A GOD” it still won’t agree with Is. 44:6 OR 43:10 unless Jesus and JEHOVAH are the same one God! Jesus is a real God, not like the kings of earth or satan that are only called gods, who are nor gods for us, and we don’t totally obey all they say, glorify them, or see them as a true spiritual god and our Lord. Nor does the Father command the angels to worship those gods. Jesus can’t be forced to be the same as so-called gods of earth that we do not serve spiritually! He is clearly and truly the one God.
But some say Jehovah is Almighty God not Mighty God. But LOOK at scripture and see who is called and whose name is Mighty God and addressed as such by true prophets.
Ps 50:1 The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken,
Isaiah 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God. (KJV)
Jer 32:18 — the Great, the Mighty God, whose name is the LORD of hosts. NKJV
Hab 1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.
Jehovah is the Mighty God. But Jesus is also the Almighty.
Rev 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” NKJV
* Jesus is called The Almighty G3841 παντοκράτωρ pantokratōr From G3956 and G2904; the all ruling, that is, God (as absolute and universal sovereign): – Almighty, Omnipotent.
One God, the Father and Jesus. These are one God. There is no other way to understand this without obvious perversion. God says He made no other god or savior or Lord. He is the only one to us.
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. NKJV
But according to the scriptures that call Jesus God, theos and elohim and tell us angels worship Him you have now 2 Lords, 2 gods for us, if you do not see them as one. Will you say Jesus is a god like Satan or an earthly king? Will you say Jesus is a so-called god and that he is not for us? Christ is a God with whom we acknowledge having ultimate rule over us, not like the lords who rule this earth now who we would not totally obey. He can’t be a god or lord in that sense! He is a God for us. He is worshipped of men and angels. Jesus is truly a God with whom we render praise, glory and obedience to His Words and worship. There is only one God and He is it. When Jesus is called Lord or God it is not in reference to an earthly domain that he is master of, as men are said to be lords or gods of; it is in reference to His spiritual kingdom; The Kingdom of God. There we can only have one Lord and one God.
Which one is your Lord? Is Jesus not your Lord? Or the Father not your Lord?
Which scripture do you obey and which one do you sin against by not having one Lord.
Jehovah makes it clear in Is 43:11 He made no other God, no other savior. So if He made Christ and Christ is a god then God lied. You can’t have two masters, two Lords even if they agree. There is only one solution; They are the same being, the same one God. This is the only possible understanding consistent with all scripture.
Christ can’t even be a savior, because God says He is the only savior, none other created.
Is 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. (KJV)
Isa 44:6 “Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God. NKJV
Who is His Redeemer? Are they the same being?
Isa 45:21 And there is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me.
22 “Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other.
Now this is as clear as it can get. There is no other savior than Jehovah, is what this scripture says, yet
Acts 4:12 says there is no salvation in the name of Jehovah, only in the name of Jesus Christ. Now in which name are we to be saved? This is a contradiction unless they are both the same being. If they are different beings they both can’t be the only one who is the saviour.
Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” NKJV (Referring to Jesus)
Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Num 21:8 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.
Here we are told we are not to look to the Father but to look to Jesus.
John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. NKJV
John 12:32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” NKJV
John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world. (KJV)
1 Tim 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; (KJV)
1 Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
2 Tim 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel: (KJV)
Titus 1:3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; (KJV)
Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, (KJV)
Titus 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Sounds like Tim & Titus are a bit confused as to which one is the saviour; or is it that they know they are the same being and you can freely exchange their names, attributes and titles. There is only one savior. Who is your only one savior, Christ or Jehovah?? Is Jesus Christ not your savior?
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which He hath purchased with his own blood.
Now the pronoun, “he”, has to refer to one of the last proper nouns so you pick.
Was it God’s blood or the Holy Spirit’s blood?
The next verses say it was Christ’s blood that purchased us; Christ must be the Holy Spirit.
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. (KJV)
Rev 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, (KJV)
Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. (KJV) Why not to God?
John 14:9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? NKJV
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Christ is a part that we can see of God’s total glory. Moses saw God too. But only a part, no one has seen God in full glory.
Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD, that is My name and My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images. (NKJ)
JEHOVAH HAS USED HIS NAME TO NAME CITIES OF HIS DWELLING; SO WHEN HE SAYS HE WILL NOT GIVE HIS GLORY TO ANOTHER HE MUST MEAN ANOTHER BEING. To name something is different than to name a being.
Ps 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. KJV
Yet the Branch who is Jesus is named Jehovah
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. (KJV) Jesus is called Jehovah! YHVH. And it is not a partial name like others, but the YHVH. Some other names may mean Jehovah is my righteousnss, like Zechariah or Jeremiah, but these only have 2 or 3 letters and are not the same as having all 4 letters and being the very name of God. Jesus is YHVH Tsidkenu, 2 separate words, not one word like names which are just pointing to or speaking about the God they follow.
Jesus has the very name of God that God says He alone is named YHVH. No person has this name. Check the scripture. This is one they forgot to tell you about.
Is 42:8 tells us God will not give His glory to another. What is His glory? Well certainly it is His name but not only His name it also includes His attributes and praise to Him for His attributes, who He is and what He does. Yet in the following passages we see the same attributes works and glory given to Christ as to the Father. Therefore they must be the same being.
Is 43:3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. (KJV)
Acts 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; Isn’t there only one HOLY ONE
1Tim 6:15 Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; (KJV)
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. (KJV)
Gal 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Is Paul giving glory only to Christ? At least he is giving Him glory.
Apparently Paul believed Jesus was the God to glorify. Do you really think Paul was wrong?
Gal 1:4-5 4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: 5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen. (KJV)
Is 24:15 Wherefore glorify ye the LORD in the fires, even the name of the LORD God of Israel in the isles of the sea. (KJV)
Who else but God are we to glorify?
2Thes 1:12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
John 16:7 “But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper shall not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you … 14 “He shall glorify Me; for He shall take of Mine, and shall disclose it to you. NASB
Zech 12:10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. NKJV
God is Speaking here saying “I” will pour… on me whom they pierced. Who else is this God that was pierced but Jesus.
Rev 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” NKJV
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. (KJV)
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Now if 21:5-7 is Jehovah, then He and Christ are using the same name, both eternal beginning and end. If 21:5-7 is Jesus speaking, He claims to be our God.
There are so many of these where they both have the same name, and titles over and over throughout scripture. How confusing if they are not the same God.
Isa 44:8 Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.’” NKJV
1 Cor 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. (KJV)
Christ is the Rock and God says there is no other Rock but Him. They have to be one.
Deut 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he. 18 Of the Rock who begot you, you are unmindful, And have forgotten the God who fathered you. NKJV
Is 8:13-14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. (KJV)
1Pet 2:7-8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. (KJV)
They both use the same name in the previous verses and many others. It seems like a God who didn’t want His glory or praise to go to another would have made it real clear not to give it to another creature!
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
“Didn’t take the form of angels” This would be meaningless if He was an angel already!!!
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Not the head angel but more excellent than angels. He can’t be an angel!!
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Which implies He’s not an angel, He is better than and more excellent than an angel. This was written specifically to correct the error of those who thought He was an angel.
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Only One God is to be worshipped!
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
So Jehovah calls the son, God. He tries to make clear that Christ is not an angel but God. He is greater than angels, not the head angel. He is not an angel at all as some thought. Though He may be referred to as an angel, which means messenger, when doing the work of messenger at a specific time, One who is sent, He was anointed to come down and bring a message.
David’s kingdom did not last forever so David did not speak this of himself he spoke it prophetically of Christ as he did other times in the Psalms. The only way David’s kingdom lasts is in Christ so this speaks of Christ being God. But not a god as David would speak of himself or other kings who men are not to worship and follow spiritually; this God is one we do follow as spiritual Lord and worship.
God commands angels to worship Jesus. Remember God’s 1st & second commands? That there are no other Gods and not to worship any. So this would violate the 1st and 2nd commandments.
How can He command angels to worship the Son? Only if they are one God.
Paul having also worshipped Christ must know these two are one being. So, there may be those called gods, but none that are really God; or any that we should worship.
Men may not be worshipped, nor may idols or even angels. This worship is not the reverence due to a king, as we see below; this obeisance was not accepted by Apostles or angels.
When Cornelius fell down to worship Peter, Peter rebuked him, Acts 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. 26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
Matt 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (KJV
Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. 9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
If Jesus is only an angel you better not worship Him! But isn’t it amazing how many times and people there are who worshipped Him and he never stopped them or told them they were not to worship Him because He also was a creature.
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Our examples in the scriptures do worship Him. He must not be an angel. He must be God and worthy of worship because He does not stop people from worshipping Him. But the angels and men did stop people trying to worship them. They would not accept it; for the only one who should be worshipped is the one true God. If Jesus was a good person we would have been told that He stopped those who were worshipping Him just as we are told of others who stopped men from bowing to them in worship. The only conclusion is Jesus accepted worship because He is God.
Matt 20:20 Then came to him the mother of Zebedee’s children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him. KJV
Here we find that both the mother of James and John, and the men themselves, are worshipping Christ and Christ does not forbid them. Why? Because He is indeed God.
You cannot say they were not really worshipping, the word only means bow down, so they bowed. Well then when it says people were stopped when they bowed down to angels means only bow down too. You can’t have one mean one thing and the same thing mean another where you want it to. You can’t say those who were bowing to the angel and Peter were worshipping but those bowing to Jesus were not. When men and Angels stop people from bowing down in this way it is because this is wrong to do to any but God. Jesus always accepted it and never stopped it, as did the Angel of the Lord.
Matt 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. (KJV)
Matt 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean. (KJV)
Matt 9:18 While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.
Matt 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God. (KJV)
Matt 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. (KJV)
Matt 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him. Matt 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mark 5:6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him, (KJV)
Luke 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
John 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. (KJV)
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. (KJV)
Thomas calls Jesus his Lord and his God. Note the scriptures are clear to say, “…said unto Him”. That is Jesus who he said it to, not up into the sky.
And Christ blesses Him for this Worship and does not stop him as the men and angels did.
Heb 1:6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.” NKJV Note this is not the first time Christ comes into the world, but 1st as born man.
Here appears an interesting statement. Christ has no beginning or ending.
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. (KJV)
In this way Melchizadek was made like Christ. He wasn’t created, because He had no beginning. “In the beginning was the Word…” Not in the beginning the word got created. He was already.
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” NKJV
“I am” that is as God, has always been; Eternal. It is not as it is improperly translated, “I have been” in the NWT; no one would have stoned Him for being crazy and thinking He had been before Abraham; but they stoned Him for claiming He was the I Am. Eternal, The name God used to represent Himself to the Israelites, I Am. Jesus would not have made so critical a mistake in grammar. This is not like Him saying I am telling you something or other verses that say I am and continue. Or even maybe when He just answers and says I am. But here He distinctly violates proper speech and grammar to make a point. He did not mean I was before Abraham. Though He meant this also, but He also meant to say I Am to claim the name. Else He would have just said before Abraham was I was if He just meant to let them know He lived before He came to earth. No He meant here to convey He is the I AM.
Ex 3:13 ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?” 14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” NKJV
In the following verses we see the man Jesus in his preincarnate body as a man referred to by scripture as Jehovah! This is when Abraham saw Jesus and rejoiced.
Gen 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. (KJV)
Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 13 And the LORD said unto Abraham, … 22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.(YHVH) 33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place. (KJV)
Gen 22:15 Then the Angel of the LORD called to Abraham a second time out of heaven, 16 and said: “By Myself I have sworn, says the LORD, NKJV
Ex 3:2 And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. 4 So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” 5 Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” NKJV
Josh 5:14 So He said, “No, but as Commander of the army of the LORD I have now come.”
And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped, and said to Him, “What does my Lord say to His servant?” 15 Then the Commander of the LORD’s army said to Joshua, “Take your sandal off your foot, for the place where you stand is holy.” And Joshua did so. NKJV
So the man who comes says the same thing as God that because of His presence it is holy ground. No one else ever said this except the Angel of the Lord in the bush who it says was God in Ex 3:4 This is God the Son speaking and coming to Joshua and Moses as He did to Abraham
Here is another one with strange language, 2 are one.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. (KJV)
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. (KJV)
Sounds like they are one unit here. The glory of God is the lamb who is the light that God lights with. That is one unit inseparable. They are the one temple, the place to worship and one throne belonging to both of them. And 22:1 The throne, not thrones as if one was literally on the right hand of the other. They are in the one throne not another throne for another being. The term right hand is used figuratively to mean strength. The role of the Son is the right hand. The one God, Father and Lamb are in one throne, shinning from and proceeding out of one throne!!
That equality to receive worship and unity of being could not exist if they were not equal and one being. You must see that to say “two are one building” is beyond our limited mind to understand logically. God is beyond our ability to fully understand.
Rev 5:8-14And the living creatures and elders all worship the Lamb
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (KJV)
Is 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; (KJV)
This verse is clear! God did it Himself. He did not use one of His creatures to do it. He did not need someone else to do it, He did it Himself. He did not use the head angel, He did not use a created being Jesus. So to compare scripture with scripture Christ who made the earth must be that same God
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Who made all things? Christ or God?
Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. NKJV
The Greek words are: en, dia and eis. So, by Him is not dia, three different words are used so it can’t mean: through Him, through Him and for him. It is by or in Him.
Note they were made for Him too,(JESUS). Yet God says He makes all things for Himself.
Prov 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Over and over we see The scriptures say the same thing about both of them. So were all things created by and for Christ or God? It doesn’t say He made it for Himself and Christ. Just Himself; but Christ says the same. If I made something for “us and ourselves” I don’t have the right to say I made it for myself, nor does God or Christ, unless they are one being.
1Ki 8:39 Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men 
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Ps 80:1 Give ear, O Shepherd of Israel, thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that dwellest between the cherubims, shine forth. (KJV)
John 10:14-16 14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. (KJV)
Who is your one shepherd? Or do you have two?
Micah 4:5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever. (KJV)
Col 3:17 And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him. NKJV
And in whose name do you live? Do you obey God’s word and do all in the name of Jesus or in the name of Jehovah?
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; (KJV)
Which one APPEARS at the glorious appearing (parousia)? The Father, Both or is it only Christ our God?
1 Tim 1:1 by the commandment of God our Savior and the Lord Jesus Christ, our hope, NKJV
Col 2:2 …to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
Isa 45:21 And there is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me.
22 “Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other.
23 I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return,
That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath. NKJV
Phil 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. NKJV
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. (KJV)
John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
John 6:40 … and I will raise him up at the last day. (KJV)
John 6:44 No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. (KJV)
John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. (KJV)
1Cor 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
So who was it that raises us up? GOD OR CHRIST? Who Raised Christ? Sounds like both did it. And that can only be because they are both the same being!
You may rationalize this away somehow, but isn’t it amazing how many of these there are in scripture that point to Jehovah and Christ as having the same name, attributes and actions, etc.?
Matt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (KJV) Jesus is omnipresent!
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
If the all he fullness of the Godhead dwells in Christ, He is God. The fullness dwells in Him, but in a bodily form; distinct from the Spirit or the Father, and Christ will always have a body, yet He is God.
Eph 5:5 For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. NKJV It is their kingdom, not one of them.
To try to say a Trinity is not logical proves it is a possibility. It just means we can not force the Creator who made the human mind and all the universes to be fully comprehensable to our limited logic.
And to make them separate beings just so we can understand, is to bring God down to the level of man’s logic. But we can’t understand it all clearly now.
1 Cor 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. KJV
1 Cor 8:2 And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know.
Job 11:7 “Can you search out the deep things of God? Can you find out the limits of the Almighty?
8 They are higher than heaven — what can you do? NKJV
Ps 131:1 LORD, my heart is not haughty, Nor my eyes lofty. Neither do I concern myself with great matters, Nor with things too profound for me. NKJV
Rom 11:33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! 34 “For who has known the mind of the LORD?
Deut 29:29 “The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law. NKJV
1 Cor 2:10-11 for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. KJV
No one but the spirit of a man can know himself and only God can know Himself. So the Spirit must be God in order to know the things of God as much as my spirit is me. The Spirit is not some force.
The Spirit is God, and is how God dwells in His people. Note that the Spirit searches. He is self active, & eternal. The spirit of a being is part of the being, unless God is possessed by some demon.
There is only one Spirit the scriptures say.
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body — whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free — and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For in fact the body is not one member but many. NKJV
Eph 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father NKJV
Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. NKJV
Now whose Spirit is it that believers are indwelt with? The Spirit of God or Jesus Christ?
If each person has his own spirit, then no two beings can have just one Spirit. They must each have their own Spirit. So how many Spirits are there? Look at what the scripture says:
Rom 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. NKJV
1 Peter 1:10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 12 To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven NKJV
2 Cor 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. NKJV
Lets get this sorted out: from the verses above we see that
1. The Lord is the Spirit. They are not two different beings. And it is the Spirit of the Lord.
2. You are not God’s if you don’t have the Spirit of Christ, and
3. if the Spirit is in you then Christ is in you. and
4. The Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit, and He was alive and active in the prophets causing them to prophesy back in OT times.
5. You are not in flesh but in the Spirit if the Spirit of God is dweling in you
So you must have the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ and the Holy Spirit dwelling in you. But there is only one Spirit. The only possible understanding here is that the Spirit of Christ and Spirit of God are the same Spirit. Christ and God do share a Spirit because they are one being. There would have to be 2 separate Spirits if the Father and Son were two different beings. Each would have their own spirit. But there is only one Holy Spirit sent from Jesus when He ascended. And God is the Spirit, and Christ is the Spirit. These all can be used interchangeably because they are the same one God.
Whew, so the the Lord is the Spirit! Is that clear enough now?
Note that in 1 Pet 1:11 and other passages, the Holy Spirit is a He not an it. He is a person.
Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: “Today, if you will hear His voice, NKJV
Note is does not say God spoke by the Spirit but that the Spirit said. God or Spirit said it?
I believe God spoke these words in the OT don’t you? But this says the Spirit said it. They are one God
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts,
Phil 1:19 .. supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ.
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (KJV)
Some people claim to be confused because Christ refers to the Father as greater or head over Him so they can’t be equal or one God. The same authority chain exists between a husband and wife. They are one flesh, ye the husband has a role of headship so here is order between the person of the one flesh union. But do you think the man is greater than the wife? No. They are equal in God’s eyes, so only for organization, an authority chain is set up for functioning efficiently. The same is true of servants to masters, children to parents, but they are not less than the other. They are all equal beings to God.
1 Cor 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. 12 For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God. NKJV
1 Tim 2:11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. NKJV
1 Peter 3:7 giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, NKJV
1 Peter 2:18 Servants, be submissive to your masters NKJV
1 Tim 6:1 Let as many bondservants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor,
Col 4:1 Masters, give your bondservants what is just and fair, knowing that you also have a Master in heaven. NKJV
So the Father is Head over the Son, just as we are in subjection, under authority to our governors, but this does not make those people better or greater, we are all equal. But there is an organization headship and order set. This is the submissiveness Christ showed the Father. There can be equality in the Godhead yet a diversity of responsibility and authority just like in the one flesh marriage of a man and woman. There is a division of labor and the Spirit has His duties and the son has His and the Father has His. So while each is equal and they have different duties functions and authority. This is why Jesus speaks as He did that The Father knew some things or took care of some things He didn’t.
The following are the duties of the 3 persons of the Godhead.
1 Pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Also while existing as a man on earth, scripture says He humbled Himself and submitted more, to take on the form of a servant and likeness of men. So as an example to us how we are to live He often acts as purely man, as if He did not have the fullness of the Godhead in Him. This is natural and we would expect to see His example how men should act and speak to the Father. This speaking as a man in no way would mean He was only a man or was not God. Notice His prayer John 11:41 And Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, “Father, I thank You that You have heard Me. 42 And I know that You always hear Me, but because of the people who are standing by I said this, that they may believe that You sent Me. NKJV
He manifests aspects of His manhood to show us an example of submission and how we as humans are to live. How else would He be an example to us? Yet at times He did things a mere man cannot do. He also tells us of His deity in creation and His Kingdom when He knows what people are thinking. He knows the future and how He will die. He raises the dead and forgives sins.
Another point some are confused by is the term firstborn used of Christ. This does not mean he was born or born first in time. It has reference to His headship and his being an heir as Son in the Godhead. In Mideast cultures men are often referred to as the firstborn even though they have older sisters. They were not really the first born but they are regarding headship in the family. So the term has a meaning beyond its obvious modern use, it is a title describing status, I means pre-eminence to be called the first born. He was not the first one to be resurrected either yet He is called the first born of the resurrection.
Remember these people? Matt 27:52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared too many. NKJV
Also Christ is the firstborn in regard to the new creation. He existed before the new covenant was made and before the fall, but He is referred to regarding the new covenant, and the new creation as the first to enter or be born into it. He has the pre-eminence of all of us who will enter. It has no reference to a physical birth time or that he was ever even born in the human generative sense.
Today I have begotten, does not mean this day. Today is used in the scripture for emphasis, or to mean in this time period,
Heb 3:13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today ,” NKJV
Heb 3:15 “Today , if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.” NKJV
Luke 4:21 “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” NKJV
2 Cor 6:2 For He says: “In an acceptable time I have heard you, And in the day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation. NKJV
In fact Paul gives us the proper interpretation of this prophecy. It was not so much about Christ being born into the world as that He was the first begotten from the dead. It speaks to His resurrection.
Acts 13:33 God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus. As it is also written in the second Psalm: ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.’ 34 And that He raised Him from the dead, no more to return to corruption, He has spoken thus: ‘I will give you the sure mercies of David.’ 35 Therefore He also says in another Psalm: ‘You will not allow Your Holy One to see corruption.’ NKJV
Col 1:18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the
dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. NKJV
To interpret it to mean he was first born of God would not agree with other scripture. Surely Adam was born before the child Jesus, and he of God. It would not agree with scripture to think it meant He was born, because we are told that he had no beginning or end, or Alpha and Omega, and eternal, all which are said of Him. He is also called the Everlasting Father. John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. NKJV
So though His sonship is the main way we see Him, He is not limited by that function, He can be otherwise referred to; ( God, Father, Brother, Bridegroom, Creator, Lord of the spiritual kingdom etc.)
There are some passages that at first are difficult or appear to contradict. We know they don’t contradict so we must seek to find the true interpretation. In Is. 14:30 the word remnant is used of a bad people. This does not mean it can not be used of a good people to. You must see the context and other passages to interpret what is meant by remnant. Baptism is a word that is used differently in the Bible than in common Greek so you can’t just use a dictionary and see the common meaning of a word and transliterate a passage and say that is the interpretation. There is much more to interpreting scripture and we must know all of the scriptures and compare it from start to finish. Law or nomos means many things, esp in the NT; the 10 commands, the 5 books of the law, the whole OT, law and prophets, the laws for the nation of Israel to govern by, civil laws, and the ceremonial laws for worship that were types until Christ came then dropped as the church expands beyond Israel to all nations. Proselytes of the Gentiles no longer have to live under those laws as says Acts 15, but they do live under the 10 commands. So you have to know when the word refers to which law.
Note also that Christ was clearly living before the incarnation.
John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. NKJV
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. NKJV
John 6:62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? NKJV
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. NKJV
John 17:24 for You loved Me before the foundation of the world NKJV
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. NKJV
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect
Isa 43:13 13 Indeed before the day was, I am He; NKJV
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” NKJV
Some say if Jesus was God why didn’t He tell the Pharisees this instead of changing the subject.
John 10:33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”‘? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? 37 If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.” 39 Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand. NKJV
Mark 4:10 But when He was alone, those around Him with the twelve asked Him about the parable. 11 And He said to them, “To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, 12 so that ‘Seeing they may see and not perceive,
And hearing they may hear and not understand; Lest they should turn, And their sins be forgiven them.’” NKJV
Matt 16:20 Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ. NKJV
Mark 7:36 Then He commanded them that they should tell no one; but the more He commanded them, the more widely they proclaimed it. NKJV
Mark 9:9 Now as they came down from the mountain, He commanded them that they should tell no one the things they had seen, till the Son of Man had risen from the dead. NKJV
John 2:23 many believed in His name when they saw the signs which He did. 24 But Jesus did not commit Himself to them, because He knew all men, NKJV
Luke 19:42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. NKJV
Luke 18:34 But they understood none of these things; this saying was hidden from them, and they did not know the things which were spoken. NKJV
Luke 9:45 But they did not understand this saying, and it was hidden from them so that they did not perceive it; and they were afraid to ask Him about this saying. NKJV
Luke 10:21 “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. 22 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”
John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; NKJV
John 6:65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.” NKJV
So a simple reason Jesus did not speak plainly to the Pharisees is because these things were not given to them to know. Jesus did not want to make it plain to them, He hid it from them when they got close. Paul also picked his arguments and did not let the Jews corner him on some topics. Jesus did the same. They did not cast pearls before swine. They were not trying to save everyone, just the chosen elect remnant and the rest were blinded.
The argument that some verses were added and that Jehovah was not capable of keeping this book safe from man added words, after creating it is to deny God Himself and to make the whole book meaningless. One person will say this was added another will say something else was deleted. How would we ever know what was God’s word. The whole faith in the Bible as the Word of God mandates that it was preserved for the church through all ages so we all could know God’s Word, as well as God breathed when made and written by men.
How foolish and faithless is a religion that picks and chooses what it will keep as God’s and what it throws away because it conflicts with its own desires. How do we know whether trinitarians added things or non trinitarians took things out of the other manuscripts that are not complete? You find an older one that doesn’t have trinity, then a person says the non-trinitarians took it out. Later you find an older manuscript with it in and the non-trinitarians say the tinitarians added it. We can have no absolute or final truth. New things can keep being found. How will we ever know we have it all? We can’t and God would not give us His word miraculously then leave it up to men to pick and choose what part to believe or alter. We could not be expected to trust it to know Him. So we use the most complete manuscripts that were kept in churches and all matched. Less reliable are older manuscript pieces that were not complete and had not been used as much so they didn’t wear out. Some were even found in the trash. Older does not mean better. The ones the church and scribes used wore out and newer copies had to be made.
The final proof is so obvious. Stop and think for a minute. If all these verses that the watchtower and other heathen “scholars” say aren’t supposed to be there; were really part of the Word, it would prove God is a Trinity. So the only way they have of saying there isn’t a Trinity is to say some verses weren’t originally there; because what is preserved in the Bible does teach a Trinity. God had to have His word available to all believers through history, not just some later who finally find it all. We by faith believe in canonicity. It’s done!
Jer 32:27 Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me? (KJV)
Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. (KJV)
Some say the doctrine of the Trinity was not made up until 300 AD. But this is not true. Just because the Catholic church had a council on it to work on the best way and the proper language to explain it and get many together to agree on it, does not mean men were not already teaching it before. Just like the Canon of scripture. It was not formally decided and agreed upon either until the 300s. But this does not mean men did not have the scriptures to read before this. It was a church decision, an agreement or creed to maintain unity of teaching for all. The same is true for the trinity. Men may not have all agreed on how to express it and they wanted to come up with a way al could agree to teach it. Ignatus, who may have been trained by Polycarp, who was a disciple of the Apostle John, both said Jesus is God in their writings. Just because the Catholic church believes something or does something it does not make it false or wrong. They hold to many things that are true also. So it is not a sound argument to say the Catholic church did it so it has to be false. What of the Eastern churches and the Ethiopian and Coptic churches?
Ps 131:1 LORD, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
Do you understand how God could have no beginning, no one to create Him? How He could always have been? How far back in time Eternity is or how far it goes? How He can hear all the prayers of all His people calling on Him at the same time? And answer them all? Is this logical to your mind? Do you understand how He can know all that is going on at once and the whole future before it happens? How He exists out of our concept of time? How Adam was justly our federal head or how Christ could have all our sin imputed to him and God turn His back on Him and punish him as if he were us. Can you understand how Christ could be fully man and retain ALL the fullness of the Godhead at the same time? How He could have already been a being that appeared to Abraham and others yet becomes a few cells in Mary’s womb and develops a human body like a newborn person but with no earthly father so that He is not like any other man but born by a woman and God. You don’t actually think God just did an invitro fertilization of Joseph’s sperm or some other man’s do you? What would have been the point of that? How He could endure the infinite punishment due all people for offending an eternal God? How God could forsake Him on the cross if they were one? What kind of body we have in heaven or how our spirit separates from body at death and our decomposed bodies are joined again?
If you can’t understand these things about God or Christ, why should it be a problem we can’t understand how God can be in three persons and could be one being at the same time? We do not comprehend God completely now. For someone to say God could not be this way, is a sure sign of lack of submission to God as Sovereign and indwelling of the Spirit. God can be any way He wants, we must accept Him however He is.
